853 points by smurda 6 days ago | 797 comments | View on ycombinator
voxleone 6 days ago |
pelagicAustral 6 days ago |
I switched to Bluefin, which is a branch of Universal Blue, which is flavour of Fedora. Sounds complicated, but in fact is the best thing to ever happen to Linux. I get all the ease of use of something like macOS but pre-built with tools for development like distrobox, and then I can just build my dev environments and get shit done in no time, without having to worry about breaking updates or nuking the whole file system because my bash sucks.
Its Linux for babies, and it makes me happy.
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Further ass-kissing:
Also I forgot to mention I tried gaming on it via Steam and it works like a charm... Not so sure about bleeding edge AAA games since I don't play any of that, but at least for all my oldies it works just fine.
Oh!, and the one thing I miss is Affinity Designer.
adontz 6 days ago |
But do I (and all my colleagues) need Microsoft Office (Word, Excel at least) and/or Drawing software (Adobe or something) and/or god forbid Visual Studio 2026, and some other corporate software to make a living? Inevitably yes.
tmtvl 6 days ago |
mnls 6 days ago |
I know people desperately want to believe that Linux is "there", but it really isn't. And will probably never be. It’s still too confusing for the average user (many distros, many desktop environments, Wayland vs X, systemd vs init, snap vs flatpak).
sovietmudkipz 6 days ago |
For more details on why I came close to switching: I use my win desktop as a host for ai services such as Comfy UI for stable diffusion generation since it is a beefy platform; for example, I generate reference stuff for Krita (digital painting software) illustrations on my drawing tablet. I remember the process to configure windows as being strange, GUI bound (NOT windows strong suit), and just annoying due to my aforementioned bias. Valve has done great work with running games on linux which is the only reason I keep that OS and I’d rather set up services on linux.
This comment serves as a reminder to myself that I should just go ahead grab my windows license keys for archival purposes and flash a better OS on that system.
Jackknife9 6 days ago |
I probably chose the wrong distro for this but I really just want the PC to work for playing games without any issues. I don't use it for anything other than playing games so for my time I just went back to Windows 10 and will use that until apps stop working.
dividedbyzero 6 days ago |
everdrive 6 days ago |
I just moved to CachyOS, (from Fedora, and earlier from Ubuntu -- I've been on Linux for a while) and I've been very, very happy. The gaming performance is legitimately better than what I was getting on Fedora, and I've just enjoyed the OS and KDE much more than Gnome Shell. I haven't had any real showstoppers with CachyOS, and it really has felt like a user-friendly version of Arch finally exists.
Chance-Device 6 days ago |
If the general public comes over this situation might end. Desktop linux isn’t a target right now because its niche, I’d prefer that didn’t stop.
Oh well. Maybe nothing lasts forever.
a456463 6 days ago |
My media center experience is so so much better. The apps on roku logout randomly, the nvidia shield remote craps out, windows firefox/chrome are slow and the logitech keyboard doesn't work. But the same keyboard and browser setup works like a charm on the same machine on linux.
Manufactured waste, fight against general purpose computing and ownership is what is at stake.
crocowhile 6 days ago |
keyshapegeo99 6 days ago |
Alas, I exclusively use laptops - as I work a great deal while travelling.
I do not wish to have to carry around a mouse with me wherever I go with my portable computer.
If any Linux distro manages to replicate even 80% of the smoothness and functionality of a Mac trackpad experience, I'll switch. I have yet to find one, however (and yes, I've tried all the Asahi variants - they don't come close).
sumalamana 6 days ago |
samiv 6 days ago |
While Linux and the user space ecosystem has come a long way there are still plenty of sharp edges and anyone planning to use Linux long term must be able to figure some issues that will inevitably happen sooner or later when some update/system upgrade happens.
Even though I consider myself fairly proficient Linux user I also gave up on Linux on laptops..life is just too short to tinker to make it work. (Power saving, suspend/resume, graphics with Optimus etc. Are still pain points)
fzeroracer 6 days ago |
I think this is really what more people should take away from the switch. A lot of the time I see people not wanting to make the leap because they're afraid: Afraid of learning how to use the command line, afraid of asking other people for help, afraid of really using the computer. Learning how things work is how you learn to be free, and that holds true no matter your hobby. The cyclist with their repair kit, the driver with their beater car, the cook and their kitchenware. The more we give away for the sake of immediate convenience, the less control we have.
Linux is no longer in the realm of needing to be an expert to resolve issues, just a little bit of willingness to experiment. This isn't to say all issues are easily solvable, there's plenty of workflows that still require you to stay on Windows and some edge cases where things won't work as you expect. But I always encourage people to try, because why not?
perihelions 6 days ago |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46566465 ("I replaced Windows with Linux and everything's going great (theverge.com)"; 20 hours ago, 596 comments)
onli 6 days ago |
QuiEgo 6 days ago |
It's impressive Microsoft has bungled Windows enough to make this go viral.
BAM-DevCrew 5 days ago |
kayo_20211030 6 days ago |
> The first question often asked of Windows refugees migrating to Linux is, "Why Linux?"
The answer, realistically, is probably "What else?". Unless you're comfortable with the BSD's (which I like, and weren't mentioned), or unless you have recent Mac hardware lying around, it's the easiest and most practical alternative.
It's a bit of a duopoly, isn't it?; with a third leg that's sometimes something in the BSD camp, and sometimes in the MacOS camp.
rasur 6 days ago |
I see Wine, YABridge and LinVST mentioned in searches, but while I've got plenty of Linux experience, I'm time-poor and would prefer to make computers make noises rather than spend my time making things work. I have Reaper which is cross-platform but again, getting the VSTs working would be great (at a bare minimum).
A Mac is not an option here. Any pointers gratefully received!
sunil_loanmeet 6 days ago |
rkagerer 6 days ago |
BuddyPickett 6 days ago |
indymike 6 days ago |
My computer is mine. I do not want the manufacturer or author of the OS controlling it. Ever. Full stop.
dangus 6 days ago |
The functionality of the iPhone connection to Linux is not unique to the platform, that works on Windows as well. iPhones present themselves as cameras when connected via USB and as the author found out, some apps present their internal storage for manipulation.
I’m surprised the author didn’t get KDE Connect to work. It’s a clutch app, and it’s even better for Android users. It’s one of the things that has had me consider switching to Android over iPhone (but there are still a couple of things I just can’t quite get over leaving behind like FaceTime for my non-technical family, the unmatched-by-competitors utility of AirTags, Siri Shortcuts, and my general feeling that without installing GrapheneOS, that Android is a less private and secure OS).
smitty1e 6 days ago |
osigurdson 6 days ago |
decide1000 6 days ago |
sedatk 6 days ago |
I’m not only saying that as a former Windows engineer, but as someone who actively uses Windows, OneDrive, Office, etc. Microsoft is hurting their userbase and that’s not a winning strategy in the long term.
But I’m sure some exec will eventually justify Windows’ decline caused by these thousand cuts as “inevitable outcome of macro-level changes in technological trends” or whatever.
molteanu 6 days ago |
0x59 6 days ago |
There's definitely specific niche software that is restricted to MS and if you must use that, then by all means stay aboard. Otherwise, today's a great day to scroll distrowatch and pick your poison.
foopalooter 6 days ago |
As I'm typing this, on my work windows PC, the taskbar icons aren't rendering. Generally the graphics are slow, Microsoft outlook randomly freezes my entire computer, and occasionally my USB drives turn on/off if I'm plugged into a docking station. I experience exactly zero of these issues when running
desireco42 6 days ago |
I switched to Linux, Arch btw, Omarchy, sometime last year when it was announced. I installed it on my old Thinkpad and it worked wonderfully, for most part. I realized that I am more productive there in real sense and experience is more delightful.
When I would go back to Mac, I would realize I need several clicks to accomplish something I had on shortcut available. Having websites/apps on shortcuts as an app is huge help. Also working on command line is really much more focused.
Sometimes in September I plugged Thinkpad to desktop setup and in December I set my powerful computer to Omarchy as well.
It isn't seamless experience, there are issues switching from speakers to headphones and dictation can be hard to setup. Overall whole machine seems more powerful and interesting to work on.
This is first time in many years that I can both play and work on same machine which is definitely welcome and surprising.
ahf8Aithaex7Nai 6 days ago |
It's a bit like with cars. If you know someone who really knows about cars, they'll be able to recommend a solid, simple, super cheap, practical car that will just work and give you no problems. It'll probably be something like a 2010 Toyota Aygo, which you can pick up for next to nothing on the used car market (here in Germany) and which you would never have thought of buying yourself. This is a Linux laptop. Other people who never got this insider tip that driving can be cheap and hassle-free might instead buy a new car from a German manufacturer on credit for half a gross annual salary (or even a whole one). Two years later, the car may already be in the repair shop because the engine is losing oil or because the Nanoslide/Nikasil cylinder liner coating is damaged.
With the Aygo, you can drive from A to B just as well as with any other car, and you might even have a little more fun doing so. But if you need CarPlay and heated seats, distrust things that are cheap, and love that je ne sais quoi that comes with things you've just bought for a lot of money, then this simple 2010 Aygo is not for you.
This weekend, I wrote code for a non-trivial compiler on my old everyday laptop. I didn't even buy it; I got it for free because the previous owner considered the device obsolete and unusable. Slowly, the thing is getting too old for me too, but Linux (Ubuntu) has gotten another couple of years of use out of it. Meanwhile, a friend of mine just bought a used Macbook that still cost more than I would ever spend on a new laptop because she has to write papers for her studies and thinks she needs a “good” computer for that.
kachapopopow 6 days ago |
jonesjohnson 6 days ago |
For un-bricking my phone, I had to use some proprietary windows-only software. So I took an old Laptop and installed Windows 10.
Installing it was such a pain already. So many dark patterns, so many privacy issues. I even had to create a microsoft account!
After the deed was done, I closed the Laprop, went back to my Linux system and enjoyed it even more :-)
unlikelytomato 6 days ago |
On top of all of this, they will just give up and buy a new machine and return it if that doesn't fix their issue.
Linux provides virtually nothing on any of those fronts unless you get a private level 8 tech support contact provided by your grandson. Who wants to be 24/7 on call for their extended family?
nickjj 6 days ago |
Still, despite all of that when it works it is better than Windows. It's just ironic that my Linux desktop is less stable than Windows 10 since I have to reboot 2-3 times a day from GPU memory leaks. Windows 10 was really stable with the same hardware and had no input delay in games. I only rebooted when the OS pushed an update since I keep my machine on 24 / 7.
opponent4 6 days ago |
It doesn't work. Right now the main issue is Wayland vs X where Wayland is not working and will never work because the underlying ideas and goals do not align with that of a desktop. Someone described X as ALSA, Wayland as PulseAudio and we are waiting for PipeWire to arrive. Maybe Phoenix will sweep in to save the day, maybe something else will.
Also, hardware and software issues will always be there because the incentives are not there.
I swear Linux on the desktop adherents sound like they have some sort of Stockholm Syndrome but of course in reality just cognitive dissonance explains it.
AdeptusAquinas 6 days ago |
But my gaming PC and primary workstation remains Win11, and always will be (windows, that is). Notably Suse under WSL2 works great there as well, and my Kubes workflow is just as easy with PowerShell commands as it is with bash.
OS's have purposes, and arguably there is no single platform that is better than the others in every way - Windows is better for games and is more stable across different hardware and configurations. Linux is much lighter, more intentional, and for me better for infosec and some coding activities.
BatteryMountain 6 days ago |
tcbawo 6 days ago |
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tuckwat 6 days ago |
adornKey 6 days ago |
jonathanstrange 6 days ago |
ordu 6 days ago |
WHAT? How people could tolerate a software that wipes partitions without asking? I mean, I can see that it can be handy if OS managed partitions by itself without asking a user what to do, but if it leads to removing user created partitions, it is a no go.
A long time ago I tried to install Mandrake Linux. In the installation process I started to change partition table and wiped it all, due to a fact that Mandrake Linux used its own custom made partition managed written in Perl that applied changes to a partition table as they arrive. I was used to fdisk, that accumulate changes and allows to review them before applying, the behavior of Mandrake's partition manages was completely alien for me. It was the first and the last time I touched Mandrake or its successor Mandriva or anything with "Mand" in front, even despite the fact that it was my mistake, I should've learned more about the partition manager before using it. It was hard (or maybe impossible) to do in an installer, but it is not an excuse. It was the last time I used installers to install Linux, I don't trust them anymore.
But people are tolerating windows that can wipe a partition when you even do not touch them. I can empathize the author ditching Windows.
zkmon 6 days ago |
I have tried switching to Linux several times over the decades. It required many compromises on the interface and compatibilities. Why is it so difficult to slap on a clone of Windows or Mac UI on Linux? I'm not saying they are good. But it avoids the feel of moving to an alien land and learn everything afresh. People don't have time for that.
free652 6 days ago |
Screens dont wake up properly, sometimes only one screens wakes up, sometimes one screen wakes up with a wrong resolution. The usual linux desktop problems where nothing really works and finding a solution is very hard to many different permutations of hardware / os / kernel / drivers / window manager / etc.
I have the framework desktop with AMD 395+
My windows ssd is plugged and I can boot it directly using virt-manager, so thats kinda solves some windows specific stuff like tax software.
cranium 6 days ago |
It sets up a Windows machine in Docker where you can install your apps, then you'll get .desktop applications that starts the program in the VM and use RDP to only show the app window – it feels nearly native. I've even bought an Office 2024 license to improve some VBA Excel macros for a client.
giancarlostoro 6 days ago |
I feel like Pacman is the real reason for instability with people who dont understand how Pacman works messing up upgrade commands and not getting all their dependencies properly updated. When I tried Manjaro like ten years ago it was a mess.
adammarples 6 days ago |
AuthAuth 6 days ago |
jadbox 6 days ago |
erghjunk 6 days ago |
amanaplanacanal 6 days ago |
- Quicken. I have 30 years of personal financial data in quicken. I'm not completely opposed to migrating to something else, but I haven't seen a good substitute. I'd probably have to learn double entry bookkeeping, and I'm unsure if other software could still download data from my bank and investment accounts. I'm sure as hell not going to start entering transactions manually (ugh).
- Ableton live. I do have a copy of bitwig, but I am unfamiliar with its workflow, and would have to figure out which of my vsts I would lose, and it seems a big pain in the ass.
- Plex server. For some reason, out of the box this was dog slow. Because of the other issues, I was unwilling to spend the time to try to figure out what was going on with this.
- The are games I would probably lose, but honestly there are so many games available I doubt I would care that much.
How many hundreds of hours am I gonna have to take to figure this all out before I have a working system again? Not my idea of a good time even if I like the outcome.
Edit: and this is from somebody who loves the idea of Linux! I first installed 0.11 or 0.12 way back in the early 90s from a stack of floppies!
thom 6 days ago |
misterbishop 6 days ago |
QuiEgo 6 days ago |
I think Steam Machine + macOS laptop + NAS running debian headless is my personal compute plan for the next few years.
nurettin 5 days ago |
snap install tmnationsforever
We are in a good place.ashish01 6 days ago |
adham-omran 5 days ago |
rldjbpin 5 days ago |
as a long-term contributor to a website that benchmarks (quite extensively!) notebooks of all sorts, quite interesting to see the choice of portable machine.
quite aligned with the overall take and was well-supported with examples.
gigatexal 6 days ago |
wbshaw 6 days ago |
vegabook 6 days ago |
chenzhekl 6 days ago |
cubano 6 days ago |
For context, this was early 1982. That 599 would cost 1,900 today — still a lot for a modem, but not quite the "gazillion" I remembered. Still, it illustrates just how far we've come.
Since then, I've written software professionally for over 40 years (with varying degrees of success). I've owned well over 200 computers — roughly 90% Wintel machines and 10% MacBooks. I've built them, repaired them, debugged them, and occasionally, after particularly frustrating days, set them back together again. I like to think I know my way around a PC.
Six months ago, I decided it was time. "This is the year of the Linux desktop on my machine," I declared, and I meant it. I installed over 20 of the most popular distributions from DistroWatch and used each one for at least two weeks. I was on a mission to rediscover the joy of computing.
For a while, it was genuinely fun. The sheer number of options was overwhelming in the best way possible. Customization everywhere I looked. All those incredible free software packages waiting in the repositories. In the beginning, I didn't even mind that I found myself doing full reinstalls every two or three days due to random instabilities. I was living the dream. Desktop effects and visual flair? Bring it on. Why does Compiz get so much criticism these days? What's more satisfying than a beautifully animated window?
Six weeks in, things changed. The Linux installations started to degrade — subtle at first, then undeniable. Random slowdowns. Browser links that wouldn't register for 10 or 15 seconds. The kind of frustration that makes you stare at the screen and wonder what's happening under the hood. It was consistent across distributions, which suggests this wasn't just a bad package here or there. Something fundamental was happening.
And yes, I'm aware of the irony. The system celebrated for its stability and reliability was the one leaving me longing for a responsive desktop environment. But that's exactly what I experienced, and I gave each distribution a fair shot.
There's also the practical reality: I'm a heavy Ableton Live user, and dual-booting has become increasingly grating. The Linux audio ecosystem has made real progress, but for my specific workflow, it's not there yet. Maybe in another year or two.
So I'm back on Windows 11. It works. It doesn't surprise me. After four decades, I'm okay with "it works" as a primary criterion.
Will I try Linux again? Maybe. The ecosystem continues to improve, and who knows what the next wave of AI-assisted tools might change. But for now, I wanted to share an honest account of what I encountered — because I genuinely wanted Linux to win.
morshu9001 6 days ago |
I'm no Linux expert, but if a SWE has a hard time with it, can't imagine how an average person is supposed to use this. Yeah it's learnable, but nobody wants to. Come back when I can install Linux on a PC, not a "distro" but just Linux, no choices for random stuff like DEs unless you're an expert. And that's necessary, not sufficient.
pjjpo 5 days ago |
Darthagnon 6 days ago |
I am replacing Win11 with Win10 and Win7.
alkonaut 6 days ago |
smetj 6 days ago |
phplovesong 5 days ago |
Moosdijk 6 days ago |
“ A few months and several headaches later…”
Additionally, the first comment I read is very positive, yet it also gives insight into the same situation.
grigio 6 days ago |
undefined 6 days ago |
undefined 6 days ago |
EbNar 6 days ago |
What about "Hey! I tried Linux and it's cool! Let me show you!", instead?
silexia 6 days ago |
a-dub 6 days ago |
it's remarkably stable and reliable and way less annoying than modern windows or macos. i'm looking forward to a panther lake thinkpad with robust linux support and incredible battery life.
knollimar 6 days ago |
lizknope 6 days ago |
UberFly 6 days ago |
Timothycquinn 6 days ago |
pipeline_peak 6 days ago |
>Everything’s great except it doesn’t recognize this device
>Everything’s great except there’s a learning curve
>Conky
CommonSenseAl 6 days ago |
subjectsigma 5 days ago |
EDIT: he did, I should have read FTA
undefined 6 days ago |
Mountain_Skies 6 days ago |
OhMeadhbh 6 days ago |
masfoobar 5 days ago |
In the end, I have stayed with Debian for a good 10 years, now. Both for desktop/laptop and server. (Maybe one day I will dive deeper with Arch.. but I also like the direction of Guix)
While I use Windows at work, I did have one machine at home dual-boot with Windows. I used it at times for games or work. Now, I cannot find a good reason to have it. My recent Debian install for my laptop + has Steam and Heroic (Epic) without issues.
Despite all the above, I am not someone who forces Linux on others - though I speak my truth and make jokes about it.. but I have little issues with my Linux installs. While I have an ATI card which installed without issue, I did not have much problems with nVidia cards in the past.
I dont hate Windows as a pure Operating System. If you remove all the fluff on top of it - especially with what is going on with Windows 11, you likely have a stable, reliable kernel + core applications.
I do not like the direction MS is going with Windows 11. I am expecting the next version of Windows to simply be named "Windows AI" but don't worry -- they will tell you AI is optional.
Boiling Frog Syndrome - little by little more features will be mandatory. :-)
hinkley 6 days ago |
senectus1 6 days ago |
I run Fedora, if its what Linus himself runs then why should i choose anything else?
psyclobe 6 days ago |
NamlchakKhandro 6 days ago |
Start citizen runs fine and gives excellent FPS NOW
longhaul 6 days ago |
raziel2701 6 days ago |
The things that bother me about this laptop are primarily hardware related coming from using a mac laptop (which is the laptop I would mind getting stolen). Trackpad on X1 carbon is definitely not as good, battery life not as good. And opening the lid momentarily reveals what you were on before the lock screen comes on. This last one tastes more like a software issue. I had another issue with the hdmi port being finicky, but that's hardware again.
Overall very happy with this setup, linux mint is in great shape. I do wish there were fewer distro choices for people considering making the switch. It does introduce choice paralysis. I had to set aside my ego and pipe dream aspirations of being a "hacker" and went with a distro that seemed to be simple and straightforward to setup. Mint definitely is easier to install than windows, hands down, no need to create a microsoft account and you don't have to deal with all the slop features it tries to shove down your throat.
meow_cat 6 days ago |
meetingthrower 6 days ago |
fassssst 6 days ago |
drnick1 6 days ago |
I am sorry for you.
Looking forward to your next article: I dumped my iPhone for GrapheneOS, and you should too.
Escapade5160 6 days ago |
ekianjo 6 days ago |
poolnoodle 6 days ago |
shevy-java 6 days ago |
It does not really affect me that much, as I switched to Linux in 2005 or so, give or take, but some people around me, in particular elderly, depend on Windows still. So that's a dilemma. Do I want to install Win11 for them? Or Win10? And help maintain either? Replacing those computers with Linux is not so trivial. You would need virtually kind of 100% "what works on Windows must work on Linux too". Any complexity is a real total showstopper for many elderly people who have very little experience with computer systems.
squeegmeister 6 days ago |
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Pxtl 6 days ago |
Mint was too buggy. It just felt so single-threaded. It had upsides - easiest Nvidia support for example. Cinnamon is nicely customizable and has some great ideas but it's just too rough around the edges.
Raw Debian was just too hard to get Nvidia drivers playing nice.
But for "I'm comfy editing config files but I need some hand-holding for this" KDE with Ubuntu is the best balance of performance and clean design and support.
My biggest disappointment is how little batteries-included gui I'm seeing for core Linux functionality. Where is the systemd service manager? Why are all the file managers so bad at editing permissions?
deepakrb 6 days ago |
doubleorseven 6 days ago |
geldedus 5 days ago |
jama211 6 days ago |
Ugghhh.
re5i5tor 6 days ago |
Update: OMG I turned ad blocker off and what a disaster of a site.
hamilyon2 6 days ago |
Wait, what? Is this true? Since when?
jwpapi 6 days ago |
All my littler hacking projects are faster setup and my idea is faster
However I think if you do video editing you need Mac or Windows
DenisDolya 6 days ago |
Ylpertnodi 6 days ago |
BrouteMinou 6 days ago |
I don't see articles about people installing Windows or Mac everyday like the people installing Linux.
Is it such an achievement to do? That make you proud enough to tell the world?
It's worse than vegetarian people at that point.
And what's the point? The whole thread is filled with "yeah yeah, I installed Linux too!" just like some kind of cult.
Look at you...
emptyfile 6 days ago |
thisnameuser 6 days ago |
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bobse 6 days ago |
fleroviumna 6 days ago |
sakopov 6 days ago |
Viewed through the lens of digital autonomy and citizenship, the question isn’t simply “Is Linux perfect?” but rather: Do we want our fundamental computing environment to be ultimately under our control, or controlled by private interests with their own incentives?