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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland (https://bsky.app)

318 points by mariuz about 3 hours ago | 404 comments | View on ycombinator

jacquesm about 3 hours ago |

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months.

And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

vrganj about 3 hours ago |

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too."

Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along.

Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external dependency can and will be used against us. We used to be wide-eyed believers in international corporation and global alliances, but those are, as it turns out, always a risk and a liability.

I sure as hell am glad the French kept being stubborn enough to build most capabilities in-house, so now we have our own nuclear deterrent, aircraft carrier and fighter jet programs. Imagine if we had gone all-in on American weapons tech! They'd have us, excuse my French, by the balls!

matsemann about 3 hours ago |

Russia's invasion ironically strengthened NATO, with more countries joining or feeling the usefulness of it. Somehow the US managed to break down all that good will in such a short amount of time.. I think it's hard to overstate how much more hostile people look at the US the last few years. So much soft power has been lost.

smcin about 3 hours ago |

Source cited by @chriso-wiki.bsky.social is this article on DR.dk, the Danish public broadcaster:

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/groenland/danmark-forbered...

KaiMagnus about 3 hours ago |

And this is, in my opinion, why support at Hormuz shouldn’t even be on the table. How can you possibly hold joint patrols when you were just months ago planning full scale war between each other?

bryanlarsen about 2 hours ago |

Keep in mind that militaries are always preparing for war. They have to. A military exists in large part to always be prepared for the unthinkable.

And in the case of countries like Denmark who have few realistic enemy choices, that means they must be prepared for unrealistic invasions, even if the US isn't threatening to invade.

Yes the Danes probably spend most of their time preparing to fight the Russians, but always wargaming the same thing leaves them unprepared for different enemies or unexpected approaches from expected enemies.

Yes, the actions in the links are more than just wargaming, but a large part of it is stuff the military should be doing anyways.

silvestrov about 3 hours ago |

> * The Danish public broadcaster DR reports ...*

This is the source article (in Danish) for the bluesky posts:

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/groenland/danmark-forbered...

Peritract about 3 hours ago |

That is a very reasonable response to the threats they faced.

polotics about 3 hours ago |

Tu as le droit de perdre, mais tu n'as pas le droit de te faire surprendre. (You have the right to lose, but you do not have the right to be caught off guard.)

nickdothutton about 2 hours ago |

I think there is a pretty good chance US is in the late empire phase. This is not about a single President or party, or even single geopolitical event/development.

torginus about 2 hours ago |

The F-35 is mentioned in the article as being readied for the defense of Greenland. I wonder what the 'easter-eggs' Danes would've found out about it if they went up against the US.

(I think I know, it has to do with how its 'stealth' works.)

pogue about 2 hours ago |

The source of this post is this article from a site called dr.dk. Maybe someone can double check the validity of it.

Danmark forberedte sig på muligt angreb fra USA [Danish language - no native translation] https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/groenland/danmark-forbered...

Google translated URL: https://www-dr-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/indland/groenland/d...

jeroenhd about 2 hours ago |

Every week, the USA finds a new way to lose credibility as a serious nation. If it weren't for the observably fair elections, you'd almost think America was being taken over from the inside by foreign infiltrators.

It's ludicrous to see the USA threaten to invade a well-connected European country, invade a South American country weeks after, and then now, three months later, beg its European allies to help with the invasion of Iran because ostensibly American leadership couldn't foresee that war in the Middle East might impact fuel prices. I still think it's a ruse to distract the European military by sending the navy to the Middle East but who knows with the current idiot in charge.

I hope the country will recover some normalcy in post-Trump decade(s), but I fear we're witnessing the slow collapse of a world power. Regardless of anyone's feelings on grip the East/West dichotomy has had over the world in the past 90 or so years, such shifts in world power rarely go calmly and peacefully.

simonsarris about 1 hour ago |

Where was this kind of movement when Russia invaded Europe in 2022?

I think Europe's inaction in 2022 will go down as the greatest moral failing of the century. You can't say "they didn't act because Russia is a nuclear power" - the same is true here.

fergie about 3 hours ago |

Thats probably what this was all about then (use Google Translate) -> https://www.nrk.no/norge/gradert-sak-behandlet-i-ekstraordin...

throwa356262 about 3 hours ago |

Those Danes should study the Falklands war.

Using F35 in this situation is like brining in a billion dollar paperweight to the battle.s

crispyambulance about 3 hours ago |

There's a difference between "posturing" for show and actually "preparing for war".

They're wise to the fact that "the Stable Genius" isn't going to try anything violent with Denmark/Greenland, but they still want to prevent him thinking about just stealing territory "peacefully."

0xcb0 about 3 hours ago |

The United States are not longer an allie nor a friend to to EU. Under Trump, they have turned into a Terror regiem, ignoring international law, human rights. They have to be international isolated together with Israel. They are the enemy of a free and civilized world!

ChrisArchitect about 1 hour ago |

wewewedxfgdf about 3 hours ago |

What else would they be doing, watching TV?

Mr_Eri_Atlov about 1 hour ago |

You would not trust a bridge that reeked of wood rot.

Why should they trust a country that smells of corruption and lashes out at random like a shambling corpse?

Protostome about 1 hour ago |

Fake report, ignore, move on

hermannj314 about 3 hours ago |

France offering support to little ententes to prevent facist revanchism. Seems familiar.

World tension continues to increase.

seydor about 3 hours ago |

You mean, they are not anymore?

SideburnsOfDoom about 3 hours ago |

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

rishabhaiover about 3 hours ago |

Hate to be that guy but

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apexalpha about 2 hours ago |

We all were... they wouldn't speak it but reading between the lines you could see the leaders were very nervous Trump would unilaterally decide to just 'try it' like in Venezuela and now Iran.

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Trasmatta about 3 hours ago |

The US president wanted to start a full on war with Europe over Greenland of all places. And he still might. And some people will still claim I just have "TDS".

the_af about 2 hours ago |

I have no doubts they took US threats seriously; anyone who doesn't these days is a fool (of course, this doesn't mean Trump will do anything he claims, but he's dangerous enough you can never tell for sure).

What I find harder to believe is that they were preparing for "full-scale war". That makes no sense. Using F-35, American made and very likely with kill switches or otherwise susceptible to American interference? And where would they get their American made parts and supplies? And Denmark stands no chance at all against US military might, with or without assistance from France.

I'm sure they were prepared to engage in token resistance, and also more serious diplomatic and economic struggles, but "full-scale war" is hyperbole.

kelipso about 3 hours ago |

Lol there is posturing and there is whatever this is.

beanjuiceII about 2 hours ago |

lol Denmark yea i'm sure no one was concerned

ZeroGravitas about 3 hours ago |

The billionaire oligarch who put that (stupid) idea in Trump's head is still out there. His son-in-law will probably be the next head of the Federal Reserve.

If the oligarchs don't feel any pushback they'll continue to wreck the US and Europe.

dismalaf about 1 hour ago |

Help me understand the levels of European brainrot it takes to get here...

Europe claims: they don't want Russia to conquer Europe.

European actions: refuse to defend themselves, buy Russian gas, give crumbs to the Ukrainians and get angry when the US actually starts dismantling the Russian Axis.

There's only 1 reason for the US to want Greenland. Take your globe, draw a straight line from Washington DC to Russia and observe what's perfectly halfway in between. And consider how ballistic missiles fly...

In the end of this affair Denmark appears to have agreed to take defense seriously. Why weren't they already?

Now, what is the end game for Europe here? They've already given up their manufacturing to China, given up their energy independence, given up their defense independence to the USA...

China and Russia have already stated their desire to destroy the west, and Russia has been using Iran as a main tool to accomplish this. Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, agitators abroad (look how many crowds came out for Quds day in the west), etc...

Trump has finally decided to destroy Russia's axis and what, the west is upset? Europe honestly deserves their own destruction at this point, not sure there's ever been more self-destructive behaviour by any world powers in history before... And why, because the US administration says mean (but true) things?

Is the west so far gone that people would actually prefer Russian fascism or Chinese communism to the status quo? It's unbelievable that, with WW3 on the horizon, most of the west is siding with those who want to destroy us... Then again, most of Europe did collaborate with Hitler, even if they pretended they didn't in the end.

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emmelaich about 3 hours ago |

The idea that the US would attempt to take Greenland by force is utterly ludicrous.

krona about 3 hours ago |

I live very close to one of the USAF's largest European airbases.

While Trump was trolling European leaders about their security posture (by threatening to relieve them of sovereign territory which the US already has extensive access to) the USAF was already moving assets in the opposite direction to the middle east (this was mid-january).

It's fairly easy to work out what's happening if you ignore the orange man and listen to what serious people are saying, what they've briefed on, how they contradict one another, and where the assets are moving.

Obviously European leaders have to pretend to take the orange man seriously, but the reaction in the media was bordering on hysterical.