318 points by mariuz about 3 hours ago | 404 comments | View on ycombinator
jacquesm about 3 hours ago |
vrganj about 3 hours ago |
Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along.
Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external dependency can and will be used against us. We used to be wide-eyed believers in international corporation and global alliances, but those are, as it turns out, always a risk and a liability.
I sure as hell am glad the French kept being stubborn enough to build most capabilities in-house, so now we have our own nuclear deterrent, aircraft carrier and fighter jet programs. Imagine if we had gone all-in on American weapons tech! They'd have us, excuse my French, by the balls!
matsemann about 3 hours ago |
smcin about 3 hours ago |
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/groenland/danmark-forbered...
KaiMagnus about 3 hours ago |
bryanlarsen about 2 hours ago |
And in the case of countries like Denmark who have few realistic enemy choices, that means they must be prepared for unrealistic invasions, even if the US isn't threatening to invade.
Yes the Danes probably spend most of their time preparing to fight the Russians, but always wargaming the same thing leaves them unprepared for different enemies or unexpected approaches from expected enemies.
Yes, the actions in the links are more than just wargaming, but a large part of it is stuff the military should be doing anyways.
silvestrov about 3 hours ago |
This is the source article (in Danish) for the bluesky posts:
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/groenland/danmark-forbered...
Peritract about 3 hours ago |
polotics about 3 hours ago |
nickdothutton about 2 hours ago |
torginus about 2 hours ago |
(I think I know, it has to do with how its 'stealth' works.)
pogue about 2 hours ago |
Danmark forberedte sig på muligt angreb fra USA [Danish language - no native translation] https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/groenland/danmark-forbered...
Google translated URL: https://www-dr-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/indland/groenland/d...
jeroenhd about 2 hours ago |
It's ludicrous to see the USA threaten to invade a well-connected European country, invade a South American country weeks after, and then now, three months later, beg its European allies to help with the invasion of Iran because ostensibly American leadership couldn't foresee that war in the Middle East might impact fuel prices. I still think it's a ruse to distract the European military by sending the navy to the Middle East but who knows with the current idiot in charge.
I hope the country will recover some normalcy in post-Trump decade(s), but I fear we're witnessing the slow collapse of a world power. Regardless of anyone's feelings on grip the East/West dichotomy has had over the world in the past 90 or so years, such shifts in world power rarely go calmly and peacefully.
simonsarris about 1 hour ago |
I think Europe's inaction in 2022 will go down as the greatest moral failing of the century. You can't say "they didn't act because Russia is a nuclear power" - the same is true here.
fergie about 3 hours ago |
throwa356262 about 3 hours ago |
Using F35 in this situation is like brining in a billion dollar paperweight to the battle.s
crispyambulance about 3 hours ago |
They're wise to the fact that "the Stable Genius" isn't going to try anything violent with Denmark/Greenland, but they still want to prevent him thinking about just stealing territory "peacefully."
0xcb0 about 3 hours ago |
ChrisArchitect about 1 hour ago |
wewewedxfgdf about 3 hours ago |
Mr_Eri_Atlov about 1 hour ago |
Why should they trust a country that smells of corruption and lashes out at random like a shambling corpse?
Protostome about 1 hour ago |
hermannj314 about 3 hours ago |
World tension continues to increase.
seydor about 3 hours ago |
SideburnsOfDoom about 3 hours ago |
rishabhaiover about 3 hours ago |
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apexalpha about 2 hours ago |
undefined about 3 hours ago |
Trasmatta about 3 hours ago |
the_af about 2 hours ago |
What I find harder to believe is that they were preparing for "full-scale war". That makes no sense. Using F-35, American made and very likely with kill switches or otherwise susceptible to American interference? And where would they get their American made parts and supplies? And Denmark stands no chance at all against US military might, with or without assistance from France.
I'm sure they were prepared to engage in token resistance, and also more serious diplomatic and economic struggles, but "full-scale war" is hyperbole.
kelipso about 3 hours ago |
beanjuiceII about 2 hours ago |
ZeroGravitas about 3 hours ago |
If the oligarchs don't feel any pushback they'll continue to wreck the US and Europe.
dismalaf about 1 hour ago |
Europe claims: they don't want Russia to conquer Europe.
European actions: refuse to defend themselves, buy Russian gas, give crumbs to the Ukrainians and get angry when the US actually starts dismantling the Russian Axis.
There's only 1 reason for the US to want Greenland. Take your globe, draw a straight line from Washington DC to Russia and observe what's perfectly halfway in between. And consider how ballistic missiles fly...
In the end of this affair Denmark appears to have agreed to take defense seriously. Why weren't they already?
Now, what is the end game for Europe here? They've already given up their manufacturing to China, given up their energy independence, given up their defense independence to the USA...
China and Russia have already stated their desire to destroy the west, and Russia has been using Iran as a main tool to accomplish this. Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, agitators abroad (look how many crowds came out for Quds day in the west), etc...
Trump has finally decided to destroy Russia's axis and what, the west is upset? Europe honestly deserves their own destruction at this point, not sure there's ever been more self-destructive behaviour by any world powers in history before... And why, because the US administration says mean (but true) things?
Is the west so far gone that people would actually prefer Russian fascism or Chinese communism to the status quo? It's unbelievable that, with WW3 on the horizon, most of the west is siding with those who want to destroy us... Then again, most of Europe did collaborate with Hitler, even if they pretended they didn't in the end.
ax3726 25 minutes ago |
shablulman about 3 hours ago |
andrewclunn about 3 hours ago |
ctdinjeu3 about 3 hours ago |
emmelaich about 3 hours ago |
krona about 3 hours ago |
While Trump was trolling European leaders about their security posture (by threatening to relieve them of sovereign territory which the US already has extensive access to) the USAF was already moving assets in the opposite direction to the middle east (this was mid-january).
It's fairly easy to work out what's happening if you ignore the orange man and listen to what serious people are saying, what they've briefed on, how they contradict one another, and where the assets are moving.
Obviously European leaders have to pretend to take the orange man seriously, but the reaction in the media was bordering on hysterical.
And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.