202 points by zdw 4 days ago | 44 comments | View on ycombinator
sharkjacobs 1 day ago |
Morromist 1 day ago |
Perhaps they didn't think of it as poverty. Anyway, great read.
IG_Semmelweiss about 23 hours ago |
Its quite a good show!
nvader 1 day ago |
- Miyamoto Musashi (d. 1645)
- Tsujigiri, random slashing of bystanders
- the Great wave off Kanagawa, painted towards the end of the Edo period
- Shinobi evolving from mercenaries into secret police
gregwebs 1 day ago |
From that point of view they seemed to have created a system that stopped the elites from starting wars with each other by imprisoning their families. And although they levered high taxes they did force many elites to accept a small amount of resources per elite to the point that some in elite status were effectively poor. Instead of money they got status and a title.
russellthehippo 1 day ago |
jdw64 about 22 hours ago |
gostsamo 1 day ago |
DonHopkins 1 day ago |
atalanta 1 day ago |
johnea 1 day ago |
One thing that I think is commonly misstated though, is that this period was one of "peace".
When viewed from the elite perspective, the power struggles between daimyo in the Warring States Era had subsided, but for the common people, the Edo Period was anything but peaceful.
The samurai class could chop up any commoner at any time, for any reason, or no reason. Sometimes just to "test" a new sword, or because their "honor" had been challenged (maybe the person didn't get out of the way and bow fast enough).
_s_a_m_ about 19 hours ago |
578_Observer about 18 hours ago |
The piece frames Edo as a gilded prison that produced little. True for the samurai half. But the merchant class it created in the Low City didn't just give us ukiyo-e and kabuki. It gave us companies that are still open.
Part of my job is assessing old family firms for credit, and a number of them trace their founding to this period. Soy sauce brewers, inns, sake makers, metalworking shops, the kind of suppliers who fed and equipped that captive elite. The forced consumption the author calls parasitic was, from the shop's side, three centuries of stable demand. You don't need to bet on a boom when the daimyo is legally required to come back every year and spend.
What strikes me now, screening these businesses, is that the survivors optimized for the opposite of what we usually praise. Not growth. Continuity. A shop that has kept the same name and the same customers for 200 years is doing something the prison framing misses. The prison was also a hothouse.
I don't know how much this generalizes. But the parasite and the thing that outlived the host turned out to be the same city.
Ngraph about 21 hours ago |
We get Edo as "250 years of peace" and sankin-kotai as some term to memorize for a test. Nobody ever just said the quiet part: the shogun kept his samurai poor and on a leash so they couldn't start anything. Kinda dark, kinda hilarious how well it holds up.
infoinlet about 17 hours ago |
melon_tsui 1 day ago |
rawoke083600 about 19 hours ago |
Me (char) climbing the ranks and politics while hiding my secret ninja origin from the nobles trying to get closer to the shogun.. Sometimes doing side-quest in my Samurai outfit-and-skillset... and sometimes doing missions in my ninja-outfit-and-skillset..
But good article :) It's Friday and I'm feeling creative
> Tokugawa Edo stands as a monument to the power of rent-seekers, producing little and demanding immense resources as a condition of civil peace.
The two dominant political axes. Which of is more repellent to you: a rigid stable social system based around millions of rent seeking parasitic landlords, or frequent social upheaval and conflict and open warfare