429 points by papersail 3 days ago | 391 comments | View on ycombinator
Scene_Cast2 3 days ago |
gvalkov 3 days ago |
Spec-ing and buying servers has become quite the pain in the past year, at least at the relatively-small scale we operate at. It's "dynamic pricing" with most quotes being valid for 24 hours :(
brnaftr361 3 days ago |
randusername 3 days ago |
Is supply actively constrained, or is this mostly in anticipation of future shortages? How much of this is a mix of panic buying and price gouging on bad news?
I care more about the secondhand market. Prices are nuts for old used gear, but that also tracks with patterns I've been seeing since roughly the pandemic where more and more secondhand sellers on the usual platforms setting pricing patterns are small businesses, not hobbyists.
usui 3 days ago |
whizzter 3 days ago |
Right now the biggest threat to their IPO's is that people realize that local models are good enough for whatever they're peddling, what's the most important factor to even running good enough models? RAM since you want the models in memory to not be total slogs.
nickjj 3 days ago |
Steam Deck had a huge price increase (~40-50%) but it still sold out in 24 hours.
All it would take is for everyone not to pull the trigger on buying things for a little bit and prices would fall but instead enough people are buying things at a crazy markup. If anything that's a signal to sell things at higher prices. Of course AI is amplifying this problem but realistically people are still buying consumer hardware at these prices which lets businesses know people will pay this price.
I'm on a machine built from parts in 2014 and it's all very good for me to do every day development so I'm not posting this from a machine I won't have to touch for another 10 years.
axegon_ 3 days ago |
- Altman, a.k.a. Dory from Finding Nemo and/or Dario, a.k.a. Carl from Jimmy Neutron.
theandrewbailey 3 days ago |
And if you're wondering, who's throwing out DDR5 systems? A local healthcare company. The boxes for some units are crushed and have water stains on them, and I imagine others don't meet their exacting requirements in some minor way (though they look and work OK to me, regardless of scratches and dings on the case).
alecsm 3 days ago |
I wanted to upgrade my SSD but prices are more than at the end of 2025. I refuse to pay 500 euro for a 4TB SSD. I rather go outside and play with my bike like when I was 5.
ajsnigrutin 3 days ago |
I have no idea why a weather forecast site needs tens of megabytes of resources, and gig+ of ram for my browser, since i get no more info from it, than i did back then. Same for chat programs (how is discord different than irc? and why does it need so much ram to do so? same for slack), mail clients, etc.
Maybe it's time to kick developers to start optimizing stuff a bit, since neither they nor the users can't afford "unlimited" ram anymore.
edit: i'm not saying we need to get back to literally 32 megs of ram, just to make developers performance test their stuff on a laptop that was on sale 3 years ago in their local supermarket, i.e. stuff their users use at home.
deltoidmaximus 3 days ago |
icedchai 3 days ago |
functionmouse 3 days ago |
butz 3 days ago |
jcalvinowens 3 days ago |
A 2x32GB DDR5 kit I paid $150 for 11 months ago costs $910 today from the same retailer. A 2x16GB DRR4 kit that was $105 last year is now $230.
The RAM alone in my newest machine would sell for over double what I paid for the entire machine one year ago.
jscheel 3 days ago |
shimman 3 days ago |
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BJ7X9P1W
Consumers need to start playing legal warfare against the companies for openly distorting the market. The ramifications will only hurt us and there needs to be a true comeuppance.
thijson 3 days ago |
nerdjon 3 days ago |
I am annoyed that the new handhelds are all crazy so sticking with my Legion Go for now.
The one I am annoyed with is storage. I desperately need to get a couple new drives for my NAS (one to replace one that its bad sectors are growing and one to add more storage) and I am not looking forward to spending $600-$700 each for 20TB drives.
name_concept 3 days ago |
drusepth 3 days ago |
matheusmoreira 3 days ago |
oybng 3 days ago |
etempleton about 17 hours ago |
runjake 3 days ago |
Been solid so far for 6-ish months.
https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-6000MHz-Overclocking-Desktop-...
mindcrime 3 days ago |
Well... I guess William Gibson laughs last, after all!
dcchambers 3 days ago |
elric 3 days ago |
himata4113 3 days ago |
api 3 days ago |
Usually these bottlenecks lead to a price crash later. Of course that’s also part of what fuels the bottleneck. Companies are afraid of over investing in production and being left with underwater capital later.
KronisLV 3 days ago |
I bought it for 82 EUR, before the whole ongoing situation.
Now the same spec costs upwards of 290 EUR, about 3.5x the original price and even on Amazon the best prices I can find are upwards of like 210 EUR (2.5x).
gck1 2 days ago |
I'm at least happy I went for DDR4 RAM when I was building this server.
jmyeet 3 days ago |
If you're building your own PC, your best bet is to buy a bundle. If you happen to be lucky enough to live near a Micro Center (they don't deliver), then you have good options [2]. Newegg does too.
Prebuilts get a bad rep and it's not really justified. That Walmart PC is ABS. That's Newegg, basically. I'm sorry but you just can't buy that parts list for $!900. The idea that there is a $1000 premium for a prebuilt is just not true. Alos, I hear people say "it only takes an hour to build a PC". No, it doesn't. Maybe if you've built 20 PCs it does but if you don't do it regularly, it's a massive pain. Years ago I used to do this. I'm too old and the novelty has worn off. I don't want to diagnose if I've gotten my motherboard headers right or why my fans aren't spinning up or why my PC isn't POSTing or even just getting the cabling right, etc etc etc.
But yes, if you're just buying RAM by itself the situation is horrific. If you can live with a 32GB gaming PC, there are options that are relatively comparable to what you could get a year ago. If you want 64GB+ of RAM, that's going to bite.
[1]: https://www.walmart.com/ip/ABS-Eurus-Ruby-Gaming-PC-Windows-...
[2]: https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/bundle-and-save.asp...
Fnoord 3 days ago |
[1] https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1419292/corsair-vengeance-lp...
jlarocco 3 days ago |
But then again I remember spending hundreds of dollars as a high school student to upgrade my family's 8Mb desktop to 40 Mb.
tonyrice 3 days ago |
Looking at it from that frame, it seems reasonable.
GoofGarage 3 days ago |
I built in February 2025, and my two 48GB DIMMs were $440. Last month I checked and they were $1800 if you could even find them still in stock.
For my workloads it was like getting 2 - 2.5 more CPU cores worth of performance, so it was worth it, since the CPU was already as beefy as it could be. It was a reasonable premium then. Today? I’m not sure the math would still math.
dekhn 3 days ago |
atum47 3 days ago |
swiftcoder 3 days ago |
tayo42 3 days ago |
CuriouslyC 3 days ago |
thoughtpeddler 3 days ago |
liendolucas 3 days ago |
Same thing with GPUs, is kind of insane having so much processing power and yet requiring more and more. What purpose for? What's the limit? Does it really really pay off such investments?
For me as a non-AI developer (I don't use any models of any kind, nor I train LLMs at all), a system with 16Gb seems to be more than enough for a vast number of applications.
hinata08 3 days ago |
Now some will bill Taiwan and Korea the same way they bill consumers and industries when they need RAM, should they need us.
Chinese companies were at least producing more and more to brace for restrictions from western manufacturers
flr03 3 days ago |
elorant 3 days ago |
mpweiher 3 days ago |
There certainly is lots and lots of potential.
SirFatty 3 days ago |
Danox 3 days ago |
flobosg 3 days ago |
ticulatedspline 3 days ago |
Now they're worth over half as much as the whole machine.
undefined 3 days ago |
Forgeties79 3 days ago |
CheeseOnFries 3 days ago |
tracker1 3 days ago |
DarkmSparks 3 days ago |
That said, getting hold of them was hard and needed a special order.
logotype 3 days ago |
boredinstapanda 3 days ago |
snarfy 3 days ago |
aborsy 3 days ago |
The question is to buy or wait.
scrubs 3 days ago |
pjmlp 2 days ago |
glouwbug 3 days ago |
HumblyTossed 3 days ago |
This is the stupidest freaking timeline...
lionkor 3 days ago |
Boy do I ever regret that. Every time I compile some code and the VM I use goes OOM, I die a little bit inside knowing that less than 100 bucks or so would have fixed this if I just went for it.
Keyframe 3 days ago |
einpoklum 3 days ago |
victorbjorklund 3 days ago |
nirui 3 days ago |
Magi604 3 days ago |
stronglikedan 3 days ago |
wolvoleo 3 days ago |
NamTaf 3 days ago |
undefined 3 days ago |
VikingCoder 3 days ago |
gattr 3 days ago |
surcap526 3 days ago |
pmdr 3 days ago |
This is insane. We've built our apps and websites to require ungodly amounts of memory and now AI scrapes away said websites while pricing us out.
Fast apps and websites need to make a comeback.
mugivarra69 2 days ago |
LetsGetTechnicl 3 days ago |
maerF0x0 3 days ago |