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Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and laptop efficiency (https://blog.google)

181 points by theanonymousone about 5 hours ago | 48 comments | View on ycombinator

simonw about 2 hours ago |

I just ran one of these locally on a Mac like this:

  uvx litert-lm run \
    --from-huggingface-repo=litert-community/gemma-4-E2B-it-litert-lm \
  gemma-4-E2B-it.litertlm \
    --backend=gpu \
    --prompt="Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle"
The first time you run that it downloads 3.2GB to ~/.cache/huggingface/hub/models--litert-community--gemma-4-E2B-it-litert-lm

It can handle audio and image input too, which is pretty cool for a 3.2GB model. For images:

  uvx litert-lm run \
    --from-huggingface-repo=litert-community/gemma-4-E2B-it-litert-lm \
  gemma-4-E2B-it.litertlm \
    --backend=gpu --vision-backend gpu \
    --attachment image.jpg --prompt describe
And for audio:

  uvx litert-lm run \
    --from-huggingface-repo=litert-community/gemma-4-E2B-it-litert-lm \
  gemma-4-E2B-it.litertlm \
    --backend=gpu --audio-backend cpu \
    --attachment audio.wav --prompt transcribe
(The pelican is rubbish, but it's only a 3.2GB file so the fact it even outputs valid SVG is impressive to me: https://gist.github.com/simonw/94b318afde4b1ce5ff67d4b5d0362... )

satvikpendem about 4 hours ago |

Unsloth's collection as well [0], with their results [1]. Looks like they can get very close to 100% accuracy compared to the BF16 model that is unquantized, and Unsloth's quants are better than the original Google's QAT as posted in the article.

Personal I'm using the 2B model for web search and structured JSON output back via Unsloth Studio and its API, works very well for that even with the model embedded on phones.

[0] https://huggingface.co/collections/unsloth/gemma-4-qat

[1] https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/gemma-4/qat#qat-analysis

jbarrow 22 minutes ago |

Very impressed with how much the Gemma ecosystem has advanced just this week.

Gemma 12B, multitoken prediction, and official quants released. Feels like Google is putting real effort into this string of releases, and I'm very excited to see that!

minimaxir about 4 hours ago |

It's a bit awkward to release Gemma 4 12B (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48385906), and then a canonical Q4_0 Gemma 4 12B a couple days later.

It's good that this post lists the expected VRAM usage for the models with Q4_0 Gemma 4 12B being 6.7GB, which will indeed fit Google's claims of fitting within 16GB comfortably, altough it confirms that only the quantized version will do so.

Relatedly, in Google's newly released Edge Gallery for macOS, Gemma 4 12B is explicitly listed as unsupported due to not enough RAM even on a 16GB machine, but given the expected VRAM usage here the Q4_0 variant definitely should fit and Google should fix that.

steno132 29 minutes ago |

I don't get this obsession with smaller models. I've been using Claude and GPT models for years and have had zero issues with them.

I see absolutely no benefit to me as a end user for a local model which is going to take up more of my CPU and memory and slow down my machine. I almost always have Internet and if I don't then not having access to a AI model is the least of my concerns.

Catloafdev 37 minutes ago |

Being able to run the 12B on 8gb VRAM is huge. It's crazy to see how fast these small local models have evolved.

netdur about 4 hours ago |

had a good run with Gemma 4 E2B Unsloth 4Q: https://youtube.com/shorts/XLsAnz5aAAI

The E4B model doesn’t fit on my phone TPU, so it swaps to RAM, the QAT version means more accuracy, good!

WhiteDawn about 2 hours ago |

Once someone generates a MTP layer for 26B A4B 4 QAT I'll be singing from the hills with my 5 year old GPU.

somewhatrandom9 about 3 hours ago |

Could these quantized models make MTP (Multi-Token Prediction) significantly faster when used as drafters for larger regular Gemma 4 models?

undefined about 3 hours ago |

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cr3cr3 about 3 hours ago |

For a moment I got excited thinking QAT is Intel Quick Assist Technology...

zkmon about 2 hours ago |

How can the smaller Unsloth GGUF quant can beat the original google quant? (ref: unsloth/gemma-4-31B-it-qat-GGUF)

refulgentis about 4 hours ago |

@google.com'ers, there are no GGUFs (blog says there is)

Pixel-Labs about 3 hours ago |

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spacebacon about 2 hours ago |

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comparedge about 3 hours ago |

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redox99 about 2 hours ago |

I was just testing Gemma E2B and E4B yesterday, and they are just too dumb to be useful outside of niche use cases.

Besides, there's no good agent on Android. Having a model that can't run web searches and browse websites is limited in use, particularly small models that really need to be grounded on search results to be factual, because they can't memorize enough.

Edit: I'd like to know what kind of usage the people that seem to disagree and downvoted this are having.