192 points by gumby 3 days ago | 135 comments | View on ycombinator
darksaints 2 days ago |
3eb7988a1663 3 days ago |
fsckboy 3 days ago |
For low-value and bulk cargo, ships make sense, and modern computer-controlled sail trim and wind energy harvesting probably makes a great case. But high value cargo is largely today shipped by air. Nvidia wants money for its chips ASAP, too valuable to sit around non productively while being steamered. Maybe with surplus wind energy they could mine bitcoin while en route?
A sort of related topic, about 20 years ago during peak farm-to-table "buy local" fashion, the NY Times pointed out that lamb shipped from New Zealand (where is that on a map, I can't find it?) to New York City arrives with a lower carbon footprint than lamb delivered by trucks from nearby upstate NY farms, such are the economies of scale in shipping.
But now, blow me down me hearties, I look forward to dining on New Zealand lamb carried to my door by the winds of fortune!
acidburnNSA 3 days ago |
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/05/07/2026-09...
JoeAltmaier 2 days ago |
alexpotato 3 days ago |
This particular line struck me: "When oil prices go up, so does money for fusion research"
Feels the same for sail and cargo ships.
walrus01 3 days ago |
WalterBright 3 days ago |
ectoloph 2 days ago |
https://stenaline.com/media/stories/introducing-stena-connec...
They are in commercial service already on the Irish Sea.
usrusr 3 days ago |
My dream future would see the oceans swarming with kite driven robotic boats that just cruise around under kite power, harvesting electricity with hydrogenerators as they go, feeding that power into a hydrolyser slowly filling some hydrogen storage unit that they drop off for sale at a port when full.
ExoticPearTree 3 days ago |
The technology is proven and reliable. Not to mention no emissions.
erelong 3 days ago |
Dwedit 2 days ago |
21asdffdsa12 3 days ago |
draven 3 days ago |
bamboozled 2 days ago |
tomkarho 3 days ago |
calmbonsai 3 days ago |
Turns out, sail-power scales sublinearly and, shocker, the wind isn’t a reliable source of power for the logistics demands of today’s supply chains.
We’re never going back to wind, but we will be de-carbonizing shipping either with ammonia combustion, fuel cells, or both.
https://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html
We've been seeing these every other year or so ever since the walker wingsail back in the mid 80's:
https://www.change-climate.com/Transport_Land_Sea_Sustainabl...
As to why they are never successful, I don't exactly know. Most of the companies that put these on trial just quietly retire them without adoption, and never explain why. It's not about ease of use, plenty of designs have near 100% automation and simple design. It's not really about maintenance, plenty of designs have almost maintenance-free design as well.
My best guess is that sails/wingsails/rotorsails have inherent height, which interferes with bridges and gantry cranes, and requires furling/stowing capabilities which them makes the systems a lot more complex. My next best guess is that in order to get meaningful propulsion, you introduce heeling, which is bad for container ships and potentially catastrophic for dry bulk.