318 points by maharshi365 1 day ago | 309 comments | View on ycombinator
simonw 1 day ago |
kimseungyong 18 minutes ago |
docheinestages about 20 hours ago |
Now, does it mean agents don't need a protocol to connect to a server and discover its capabilities, tools, and distributed skills? I disagree.
> Agents with terminal access can replace most MCP servers
What should all other agents that don't have terminal access do?
whazor 1 day ago |
cagz about 20 hours ago |
Direct access (Curl/own small function): This requires agent to have full understanding of the API spec. Yes, context can be protected using progressive disclosure, but this essentially means agent needing to understand the API again and again, before every use. Also, a typical API spec may or may not be agent-friendly. If there are nuances when calling an endpoint, where do we put these? Into OAS description? Works, but clunky.
CLI: It works beautifully, especially when a 3rd party CLI already exists for a complex backend. Assumes a well documented, agent friendly CLI, most CLIs are designed for human or CI/CD consumption. Talking about MCP taking up too much context, think about agent starting with my_cli --help, and going down through the switches and parameters one at a time to figure out how the CLI should be called. Less of a problem when calling a well know CLI (e.g. aws), but anything more niche (or custom) requires multiple turns to compose the final CLI command.
MCP: Has its issues, but offers an agent-native solution. Everything agent needs to know about a tool becomes available at once. In an enterprise environment MCPs can be served through an MCP Gateway, providing governance and permission management, this is quite contrast against running a CLI that requires agent to have execute permissions in its shell.
CharlieDigital about 13 hours ago |
Back in March, everyone was already pronouncing it dead[0] when in fact, it has only proliferated and become even more essential for both 3rd party systems as well as platform level capabilities[1] as agentic tooling has moved a bit more slowly into the enterprise. It was apparent even back then that enterprises will need MCP.
In a team context? Enterprise? Building web server backed or in-process agents? Not sure how you replicate the control, auditability, accessibility, composability, and security boundary that you get with MCP over HTTPS without a lot of bespoke, point solutions; in the end, protocols almost always win.
Could you do it with just REST APIs? I mean, MCP is just JSON-RPC over HTTP with standardized auth, schemas, and agent specific exchange flows (tools, prompts, resources, etc.). Could you do it with just CLIs? You lose a lot of the control mechanisms offered by MCP (auditing, security, centralized auth, etc.). The context savings are overblown except with CLIs that have good representation in training (curl, jq, cat, sed, etc.; your custom CLI is going to need to produce instructions and add to context all the same)
Heuristic is simple: don't use MCP for local, solo dev. As soon as you need MCP, you'll know it and you'll understand why it exists. Many of the harness level capabilities themselves are implemented as first party MCP (more apparent in the CLIs). MCP is basically REST for the agentic era.
[0] https://chrlschn.dev/blog/2026/03/mcp-is-dead-long-live-mcp/
jvanderbot about 12 hours ago |
What I care about is that many companies didn't have APIs, and didn't see a reason to have them (niche, dev-focused use case, or might produce a competing frontend/app)...
but now, those companies have a reason (agentic but let customer agents access data!). And for me, that means more companies now allow me access to my own data on their platform. This has been a net win!
wetpaste about 9 hours ago |
For example, grafana has a newer CLI called gcx that replaced grafanactl https://grafana.com/docs/grafana/latest/as-code/observabilit...
I originally used the MCP server but after running into context bloat and limitations around MCP I looked and found this. Seems to be a fantastic interface for agents, they breeze through o11y tasks with this thing.
doctaj 1 day ago |
Microsoft has defined how to do that in the MCP. It's trivial to add the MCP to the machine and reliable in execution.
The alternative would be the model having to get the documentation directly from their documentation website, it sounds like. If this was the case, then MS would likely have great docs and probably support that markdown header... but everything hinges on finding a specific web page on the internet? Seems worse in every way than MCP to me.
pietz about 7 hours ago |
mindcrime about 4 hours ago |
For my part, I wrote an MCP server this weekend for Bugzilla, connected it to ChatGPT and now ChatGPT can help me manage my queue of bugs (and non-bugs - I use Bugzilla as sort of a generic work-item tracker, TBH). Simple, works and gives me a nice natural language interface to the tool. And if I want more than the generic API surface, I can add tools (or modify the existing ones) to add any additional business logic I want.
Can you "get there from here" other ways? Sure, absolutely. But this works quite well for my use case and I'm not anticipating "delete my MCP server" anytime soon. In fact, I plan to deploy one for interacting with my Mediawiki instance as well. I also even have plans to implement MCP for interfacing with all of my LXI/SCPI enabled test equipment!
If I get to the point where context bloat becomes an issue, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
MCP Apps[1] also look like a really cool addition to the stack. I've only built toy examples / demos to date but I'm pretty excited about what this brings to the table as well.
[1]: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/extensions/apps/overview
AndrewDucker 1 day ago |
bob1029 about 17 hours ago |
Putting both of these things together, I am running out of problems to solve as a human developer in the space of AI agent integration.
Assuming all your systems speak JSON right now, you are already 100% there with frontier models. You don't need to write a single line of code. Even if your json documents are monstrous in size. Put a size limit around the jq output and the agent will iterate with various filters until it finds a concise view of the problem. None of this behavior needs to be prompted or orchestrated anymore. Give the agent the tools and set reasoning level > 0.
thehamkercat 1 day ago |
a lot of websites that never bothered to provide a REST API are now exposing MCP server because it has become popular, and you can use those servers to write normal automation for yourself, without plugging in any LLM etc
teliskr about 9 hours ago |
When I first looked at MCP protocol, I did not like it. Then I realized, I don't have to care about the protocol. Claude can implement that for me and it did.
apf6 about 6 hours ago |
> There are still some issues, like CLIs returning machine-readable responses (JSON/XML, etc.), which tend to be very verbose and heavy on token usage, but we have ways to fix this.
This problem is also solved by MCP.
Anyway, when building a new tool, I personally try a CLI based tool first, then I'll fall back on MCP if the CLI is not working.
One big reason I see for needing to switch from a CLI to MCP, is if the agent needs to send a lot of data to the tool, and it has to pack and format all that input data as CLI params, and you can start seeing problems with the Bash command syntax being improperly escaped. That problem is solved by MCP thanks to using JSON-RPC over stdin.
Summary.. you shouldn't use MCP for everything, but there is a time and a place for it. Which is what the experienced devs have been saying about MCP for over a year now.
mbreese 1 day ago |
But please don’t try to redefine the Accept-Language header. These things are well defined for a reason and redefining things isn’t helpful. Trying to figure out protocols on the fly for LLMs is how we got into the current mess. For all of the cruft that W3C has, I think that working with standards committees could help the AI vendors here.
rglover about 9 hours ago |
When done properly, MCP can be really useful as an API bridge. MCP is (or can be), after all, just a JSON-RPC endpoint that returns a standardized response format. "Tools" are just function calls w/ definitions that are LLM-consumable.
But, imo, it's foolish to dismiss MCP outright.
dnlosx 1 day ago |
CLI tools are great if you always use the same environment. But try using them from your iPhone, and they simply won't work; a remote MCP will work seamlessly.
HTTP APIs solve a different problem. APIs are designed to be predictable and consistent, so the client always knows the response shape in advance. The MCPs are designed to be dynamically discovered. This lets agents connect to new and unknown ones.
Trying to give APIs extra responsibilities so they can replace MCPs would just create more confusion. It's like creating an MCP server but calling it an API.
Glyptodon about 10 hours ago |
noworld about 13 hours ago |
mgaunard 1 day ago |
There is no reason not to use the native API directly.
graypegg 1 day ago |
I know this is pedantic, but IMO that should just be in the URL if the resource is going to be totally different. Accept-Language is already a bit weird for the same reason in my mind, but I think the intention behind it is the resource itself is attempting to communicate the exact same resource. Obviously, two different languages from two different cultures are going to have different interpretations of the same direct translation, but the intention is the service has at least tried to avoid that as much as possible.
Adding programming language into that same concept just makes it seems like you're serving both /docs/typescript/vx/... and /docs/python/vx/... from /docs/vx/... despite them (in theory) having many more differences in between implementations/context than that would imply.
Agents should read sitemaps. Does anyone's harness do specifically that when looking up documentation?
fweimer 1 day ago |
There's also another aspect Quite a few API providers provide automatic renewal for MCP server registrations, but not for personal access tokens. This may be less relevant when models just drive the user's browser.
qalmakka about 11 hours ago |
One thing I hate is when people write an MCP server for something useful and just that. Like, why don't you tell the same Claude or Codex instance you wrote to also expose the same functionalities as a CLI? The problem is that it's full of technical people with zero CLI knowledge nowadays (or, rather, for the last 20 years or so), and it kinda sucks in general, because lots of stuff only comes in GUIs that are not composable, not scriptable and sure as heck full of stupid bugs and limitations due to how harder it is to get GUIs right compared to popping out a "dowhateverctl" kind of tool
EMM_386 about 10 hours ago |
If Unity updates the version (and the MCP server with it) - my agents immediately see the new surface. They weren't trained on the features of the new version of Unity, but they know about them as soon as they are added.
Context bloat is a thing - but you only turn on the MCP servers for what you are actually working with. If I am only in Blender, I don't need the Unity MCP. So it can be disabled.
These are just two example pieces of software but the concept applies to all of them with MCPs.
honoluluxyz 1 day ago |
indymike about 14 hours ago |
We should start to standardize how agents use HTTP APIs directly. For example, agent clients could attach headers to identify themselves as agents, and servers could automatically send them response data as Markdown or text instead of HTML or verbose JSON.
dmix about 11 hours ago |
Sweepline about 19 hours ago |
xnx about 8 hours ago |
Automating the human UI used to be difficult and fragile, but modern AI makes it much easier and change resilient.
flohofwoe about 15 hours ago |
An AmigaOS-style "scripting port" would work just as well, but AFAIK that's essentially what an MCP server is (a socket that implements a discoverable command protocol).
I would actually love if all applications and services could agree on a standard for scripting / remote-control. If the AI hype is what it takes to get there, then so be it ;)
zacksiri about 21 hours ago |
MCPs are great when you just want that native out of the box low mistake way for agents to call your services it's great for certain cases.
I also developed a new method of using MCP called ADP (Agent Delegation Protocol) that sits on top of MCP where there is only 1 tool for the MCP, and when the agent wants to do something it just issues natural language commands and the ADP engine handles the rest it does all the routing etc... to the right sub-agents and executes tasks and return the results. (more on this soon).
Internally if you have a good orchestration system you do not need MCPs and can use APIs but those APIs should be designed for agents, IE based on DSLs, that project into internal operations. I do this too.
CLIs are great for testing things out, but agents often get things wrong, it's great for experimenting to see what works out of the box and what doesn't.
For me the perfect medium is a mix of MCPs and APIs. APIs are cheap if designed well, and if your workflow is a DAG then APIs are especially good because you already have a deterministic flow which means you can use small LLMs or even just something like Jev.
So my summary is:
CLI - Great for out of the box, things that are well known, where you want to verify the output
API - Great for low-cost large volume, highly repeatable workflows, that require high reliability you want your agent to execute without you having to hand hold.
MCP - Great for building debugging systems, or as an entry point to more complex workflows that you need your agent to have some ability to orchestrate.
I'm using MCP with ADP to route to large workflows that execute APIs internally for what i'm working on. So it's a mixture.
vkaku about 8 hours ago |
I'm tired of these kind of posts. This author is on my black pill list.
rimeice 1 day ago |
boredumb about 9 hours ago |
hiop about 20 hours ago |
Of course you can raw dog it with "computer use" and just have the agent click around the UI, but exposing semantic actions directly from the site seems like a much cleaner interface.
fg137 about 14 hours ago |
fedeb95 about 11 hours ago |
The real value of MCPs lays in providing a controlled interface to models.
The benefits of control are multiple; models getting better means that, if necessary, they can go around the limitations, but generally their adherence to it is desired.
darkoob12 1 day ago |
rrook about 13 hours ago |
angry_octet about 12 hours ago |
Over time I think we'll see an evolution towards client-side micro models that reduces RTT latency, and a message bus architecture that allows multiple local micro models to push queries to the server, continue working, and receive updates on various topic asynchronously. The channels or topics (like a blackboard system) would be accessible to multiple local agents, as would the results of tool calls.
Message bus systems are easier to version, write adapters for and debug than random CLI tools and web interfaces. MCP interfaces are not going anywhere, they are just evolving.
ethor about 18 hours ago |
hypfer 1 day ago |
Was that a real thing? I mean it must've been for it to be mentioned there, but, rephrased: what was the scale of that?
How many individuals were involved in that? 1? 10? 100? 1000? 10000? 100000?
fb03 about 3 hours ago |
0x696C6961 1 day ago |
cesarsk 1 day ago |
Without, I feel they are more confused on how to get an outcome, as they may try, infra or inter sessions, different approaches
tobyhinloopen 1 day ago |
It basically is called like “capture some-cli” and it… captures the CLI output, outputting a subset of it + a handle to continue querying.
This for me solves the danger of a tool returning tons of content.
evilmonkey19 about 18 hours ago |
thinker34 about 19 hours ago |
crowcroft about 22 hours ago |
themythfable about 13 hours ago |
hartator about 12 hours ago |
baakwu about 19 hours ago |
They provide interaction for most of your GUI programs but often the limitations of the MCP systems leaves agents highly confused about how to execute something you see on screen, where command line systems the agents seem to work 99% of the time.
strideashort about 15 hours ago |
SOAP does not need MCP, for example.
ismailperim 1 day ago |
Peteriishak about 11 hours ago |
brycehamrick 1 day ago |
undefined about 20 hours ago |
well_ackshually 1 day ago |
oh would you look at that, Vercel suggesting to abuse how standard headers have been used for decades so it can send Accept-Language: rust because it's too lazy to ask for standardising an X-Prefers-Lang or anything else, and Shopify is here to shit on the internet too. Great.
LeonidBugaev about 17 hours ago |
Having the CLI allows you to have the huge application with the big surface be available to the AI agent and so they'll be able to learn it on demand. For example my app has more than 1,000 help pages. There are no other ways to load all this information into the CLI context and to be frank it will be quite stupid. Instead I use progressive discovery.
It first reads the original help message to understand which stage of the flow it is right now. It auto-discovers the topics through the error messages and through the various hints. It has an Elasticsearch-like search inside its own help command so it's a full self-contained application with self-discoverability, which has a graph, ontology and the full developing flows inside of it. All of those parts are automatically given to the AI only when it actually needs them.
And to be frank if you look at the latest YCombinator batch, all of the companies are building the custom harness. What I'm calling above CLI is actually a custom harness, which is running inside someone else's agent group.
Having remote MCP allows me to give limited read-only surface to clients which not supposed to run any CLI commands. And while MCP has similar patterns, like bundling docs and prompts, it is not as flexible as CLI and does not allow huge scale.
air217 1 day ago |
pjmlp 1 day ago |
Plus the performance issues to restarting processes all the time.
bithammerthunde about 17 hours ago |
aldonius about 15 hours ago |
ramoz about 9 hours ago |
yipinwong about 10 hours ago |
Ending with a question is a shady media way of getting aroudn the legal issue of taking responsibility.
I hate blog titles like this as the author doesn't want to take responsiblity for the claim.
ModernMech about 8 hours ago |
manoDev about 11 hours ago |
est about 24 hours ago |
JSON is a bad format/transport.
ex1fm3ta about 10 hours ago |
* * acli-skills: An Atlassian CLI agent skill that maps out Jira commands cleanly. * glab-skills: A GitLab CLI companion built directly for efficient agent workflows. *
To maintain visibility with this setup, we also developed a custom [Claude Code](https://code.claude.com/docs/en/plugins) plugin that streams live updates regarding our background operations directly into the console. That said, MCPs are still extremely useful for rapid prototyping and when we build custom internal tools to speed up development. We found them particularly valuable for:
* * Sampling: Asking the LLM directly to detect entities and summarize log files. * Notifications: Handling long-running tasks that require fetching data from multiple sources. By logging each step and aggregating them via sampling, a single update is sent back to the coding agent, preventing it from spinning up multiple redundant processes. *
0x445442 1 day ago |
Of course Mario, Sammy, Jensen et al. would be for this.
levelZero 1 day ago |
postalrat about 22 hours ago |
r2ob about 23 hours ago |
h1fra about 14 hours ago |
butterNaN about 15 hours ago |
I know there are other ways to achieve this but to me this, but they all seem "soft" controls - a hard limitation feels more reassuring than simply a line in context that says "don't do this".
In the spirit of the linked post, one could argue I should just write cli wrappers - but I think I like the explicit routing of `Agent -> MCP -> available tools` instead of `Agent -> available tools`. The former lets me control the surface available to the agent. While LLMs are smarter now, at the same time, the applications that use those LLMs have become more assuming of what I want to allow them to do. I don't want to be one hallucination away from a disaster.
tucnak about 19 hours ago |
kwar13 about 19 hours ago |
OutOfHere 1 day ago |
I can do this trivially when my tool functions are closures that have the user-id pre-bound, but with MCP and HTTP I naively assume that the callables are pre-set.
vetler about 14 hours ago |
jay_kyburz 1 day ago |
tananaev about 17 hours ago |
mwkaufma about 21 hours ago |
Kevcmk about 16 hours ago |
rvz 1 day ago |
The spec was poorly designed to begin with. Even saw some folks here thinking it was a good idea to enable MCP directly on a production database for what? Risking exfiltration of sensitive data for bad AI agents.
Given the increased security capabilities of these new models (Mythos, Astra, K3), it sounds like MCP would not be able to justify on making sense from a security perspective and would be a very bad idea to use anyway.
So no thanks and no deal.
0xbadcafebee about 21 hours ago |
MCP is an abstraction for remote tool calls with a standard interface. More specifically it's for when a local CLI will not do, and you want determinism and standardization. It also avoids all of the potential errors and guesswork involved with a model trying to "figure out" how to do something; you simply make one standard call, and the remote side "figures it out" for you, without failure.
If you can do what you need to do without MCP, then don't use MCP. When you eventually get sick of AIs playing guessing games with local tools/data, or spending lots of time to get functionality somebody already published as an MCP, or you need isolated control over the execution, maybe check it out again.
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mabini 1 day ago |
Sure, there's almost no reason to use MCPs if you are running a full-blown terminal agent (Claude Code, Codex, Meta Muse, OpenClaw etc) with unfettered internet access - just let it call APIs directly.
If you want to operate something that's less YOLO than that, you'll find yourself wanting:
1. Control over exactly which external services it can access
2. A way to handle authentication that doesn't allow the agent to directly access API keys
3. A sensible UI to allow users to connect and authenticate further services
4. Strong audit logging for what's going on
MCP makes all of that so much easier to provide.
Thinking MCP is obsolete because full coding agents don't need it misses out on all of the other things we might want to build.