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Don't Use AI to Write (https://paulbakker.io)

135 points by eigenBasis about 15 hours ago | 75 comments | View on ycombinator

trjordan about 9 hours ago |

So let me get this straight:

- You can use AI to look through docs and do research.

- You can use AI to structure your argument.

- You can NOT use AI to actually write the prose.

- You can use AI to proofread, especially for how effectively you've communicated.

I don't know, man, that sounds a lot like using AI to write. Your writing probably says "load-bearing" less than Claude's outputs, but I'm not sure it's much less AI.

Kim_Bruning about 10 hours ago |

Once upon a time the word processor was invented, and it made it so much easier to arrange your words on paper. iIf bits were wrong, you could just delete them, or copy and paste them across pages. It was actually pretty amazing what you could do; especially if you didn't mind dot-matrix type on fan-fold paper. Of course if you wanted to make a better impression, you'd type it on a typewriter, or better yet, hand-calligraph your writing with a fountain pen.

So LLMs allow you to work at the speed of reading, if not faster. So you can try a paragraph here, completely rewrite the tone. Start a chapter in 1PP and just have it rewritten to 3PP. And sofort and so on. The number of new transformations you can do is endless.

What do a lot of people do? Write a one line prompt and show everyone the oneshot result.

Ok fine, sometimes you don't need to write amazing prose. But you can also be like the early writers who adopted the word processor. If you put the same amount of elbow-grease into using an LLM as you did writing before, you can get some pretty cool results.

pbakker about 1 hour ago |

I'm the author of the article.

There are a number of comments that indicate that I'm using coding agents, and wonder if coding doesn't require the same behavior as writing.

Coding agents are absolutely a useful tool - however, that doesn't mean that pure "Vibe Coding" is the best approach for most scenarios. Using coding agents correctly requires a careful approach as well, which also starts with thinking through the problem you're solving! The details of workflows for coding and writing are different (in my opinion), but at a high level the same concept applies; don't let an AI do the important thinking for you!

I'll probably follow up with another blog post with what I've seen work well for coding.

bluepeter about 9 hours ago |

> Writing requires thinking, don't let an AI do the thinking for you.

Okay, but reading also requires substantial thinking. Moreover, we can say the same about, say, coding. And I am sure there are people who will say, yes, don't use AI to code. But I do, and the results are amazing, and I still think very deeply: in fact, I spend more time with AI coding (and thinking) than before as I do not get hamstrung on, how do I convert this Word doc to PDF in code again? I spend more time in higher order thinking. Same with when I read text written by an AI. I don't believe that writing is any more sacrosanct that coding. And reading and adjusting AI output requires substantial thinking.

simonw about 9 hours ago |

Just this morning I used Claude to build an "omit needless words" app, which lets me paste in text and then marks up that text with strikes through the words that I can leave out.

I used it to edit a document I'm working on, where I accepted about a third of its suggestions. I feel pretty good about it.

If you have a Claude account you should be able to access the artifact I built here: https://claude.ai/artifact/RK7XfnaoxVV1Uji84ETaLr - it uses "Claudeception" - the feature of Claude artifacts that lets them use Claude prompts - so it will be billed against your Claude account (at a cost of probably a fraction of a cent per run.)

Oscalemor about 3 hours ago |

It feels like you hit a wall. The moment for me was Astra first day of release. It felt like everything I've done up to that point was meaningless, or perhaps that's too harsh; let's call it art projects.

I've been carrying more notebooks, being fine with terminals being idle and focused on 'what is actually being created', and what will remain?

improbableinf about 8 hours ago |

While I do agree with the premise of the article, if find this way of thinking applicable for writing code as well. Your code is meant to not only be read by machines, but also other fellow humans. Writing code requires substantial amount of thinking as well. Shouldn't we write code without AI as well?

nicbou about 10 hours ago |

I use it to write in German, because my German sucks.

I first write the thing myself, then feed it through Deepl Write to see how the AI would write it. It's been very helpful.

I write everything else myself. However I don't know how I feel about spending my time on Earth typing personal responses to AI-generated messages. Do those people deserve my time and energy?

SoylentGreenGPT about 7 hours ago |

Don’t use AI to write and don’t use it to edit either. LLMs can’t understand your writing, so the edits and questions about your work will be less helpful than asking another person with knowledge to review.

crossroadsguy about 7 hours ago |

Why is everyone suddenly asking everyone else to not use AI to write literature, essays, comments, emails, letters… but apparently writing code with AI is fine. Oh that sounds natural to you? Not to me, it doesn't. It doesn't feel natural to me writing anything with AI as a human being. But here we are.

daoboy about 10 hours ago |

retrocog about 9 hours ago |

I'm on version 6 of a writing an agent voice, style, tone, and orientation guide I have been developing over the course of the past year. Every time the agent writes something using the guide, I edit it and then update the guide where needed. Slowly, the agent is beginning to sound eerily close to my natural writing voice. No, I didn't use it for this comment :)

sasaf5 about 11 hours ago |

Also, don't use AI to translate into a language you can't read back. It glosses over assumptions you didn't know you made, and the output might not mean what you intended.

baalimago about 9 hours ago |

AI for proofreading/spelling correction and reordering works quite well. My words, but perhaps structured in a way which makes more sense, with sentiment replaced by synonyms.

Basically an automatic "second-pass" which I would've caught had I re-read it, but automatically.

huijzer about 9 hours ago |

I agree. Writing manually and thoughtfully and then letting the AI figure out the nitty gritty implementation works very well.

tygon about 9 hours ago |

My brain immediately went to "I wonder how many people got this article and used AI to summarize it for them."

4b11b4 about 9 hours ago |

I said this once in my recent "Trustworthy AI" class that... "I think writing with AI is one of the most detrimental things you can do".

The reaction was pretty much silence and most people probably thought I was some angry, arrogant, anti-ai purist... which isn't the case. It can be acceptable to use a language model in code generation but requires new forms of discipline and tooling.

But for for just regular old writing... Should never, ever be generated. I'll likely never change that stance.

sanjays442 about 8 hours ago |

Indeed, even the best models output needs to be checked thoroughly

John-16-3 about 8 hours ago |

Here is a good explanation in a deeper way of why using AI to write is not a good thing

https://markgreville.ie/2024/12/10/generative-ai-is-digital-...

artursapek about 7 hours ago |

Shameless plug of my app! https://revise.io/editor

It's a word processor that lets you selectively accept AI suggestions, or just talk to the agent in margin comments. I've been working on this full time for over a year now.

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gonzalohm about 9 hours ago |

The article opens with

> Writing requires thinking, don't let an AI do the thinking for you.

And then the author goes on to admit that they use AI for coding. Does coding not require thinking or what?

I agree that we shouldn't be delegating thinking to AI, but stopping at writing seems disingenuous.

efilife about 8 hours ago |

wow really?

tigerhuliu about 9 hours ago |

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batmang about 7 hours ago |

We can write draft by using our thoughts.. and check for grammer mistakes thats it.

Our usual flow of writing should not be disturbed at all..

Fixing grammer mistakes wont change the soul.

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vivzkestrel about 9 hours ago |

- why stop at writing? put this advice for coding too

- sure its good to ask AI feedback about your module or code review or identify vulnerabilities or better ways of doing your existing code

- but maybe stop asking AI to generate entire projects from scratch?

FiniteIntegral about 8 hours ago |

I'm not sure where people are going with using LLMs for research on a topic.

LLMs construct documents like a middle manager trying to get you fired, so it's a bad idea to get a system to try to research something for you. Anytime I've used the ol' panopticon-homunculus for something applied and niche I always follow the source linked to verify it. And the source is vague and generally unverifiable. Humans can actually link other documents that are actually readable to a greater degree.

I think a large part of the blame is the dataset for large scale LLMs being thoroughly and disproportionality poisoned with popular media sites like Reddit.